As you may recall the situation happened at the Roadhouse bar with four off duty, out-of-state law enforcement officers and a firefighter, all members of the Iron Pigs – a police motorcycle club – who get into a heated confrontation with some Hells Angels members on the last day of the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally. The confrontation ends when Ron Smith pulls his Glock 23 and shoots Joseph McGuire a HAMC member.
I blogged about the incident and posted several updates HERE, HERE and HERE.
Many readers weighed in with comments between support of the police to those who where very distrustful. Some comments became derisive after the South Dakota court threw out the assault and weapons charges and then later dismissed all the indictments.
Recently Charles Remsberg, an author of three best-selling law enforcement training textbooks, and contributor to the PoliceOne site has posted an interesting “Behind The Scenes” recap of the shooting. Part 2 of the report is HERE. His report provides deeper insight into the minutes leading up to the shooting, the psyche of the various folks involved, the injuries and a bit of the grand jury transcript. Granted Mr. Remsberg writes from a LEO point of view, but does so after nearly three decades of work where he earned the prestigious O.W. Wilson Award for outstanding contributions to law enforcement and the American Police Hall of Fame Honor Award for distinguished achievement in public service.
To be fair, and after reading Remsberg’s report some of my initial implications were inaccurate. However, I do think my overall assessment was correct, at least based on the information that was released at the time.
At any rate check out the good report and you be the judge.
UPDATED: January 28, 2009 – Part 2 of the report HERE.
UPDATED: February 25, 2009 – In a plea agreement Joseph McGuire (HAMC) pleads no contest to simple assault (versus aggravated assault) and was sentenced to one year in the Meade County Jail. According to Rapid City Journal, McGuire’s sentence was suspended as long as he does not break the law. No fines were imposed, but he can not attend this years rally.
UPDATED: May 7, 2010 – Detective Ronald Smith has filed a lawsuit against the city of Seattle and the Seattle Police Department. Even though all charges were dropped the suit alleges the department disparaged him and negligently provided false information that led to his indictment on a perjury charge. This was an embarrassment and the lawsuit contends his reputation was harmed.
Northwest Harley Blog 
You know when you see an IRON PIGS patch, expect the wearer to be armed and dangerous.
Cops playing biker seem to carry the “untouchable” moniker with them from the uniformed officer on the beat to the idiot wannabe biker clad in leather and ‘strapped up’ in a bar. A cop involved in a shooting always has and uses the same mantra for the investigation that follows: “I was in fear for my life.” It’s a “get out of jail free” statement that police have used successfully for years, even in the most questionable of cases.
Even though South Dakota forbids anyone to carry a firearm in a bar, the cop who shot the 81 member was (ultimately) never charged with any crime. Had the roles been reversed and the HA had shot the officer–even if he had been physically beaten to the ground–he would have been indicted for the firearm, no matter how it came to be that the gun was flourished and used. But it seems that Iron Pigs members are immune from the same law primarily designed to prevent a firearm from being introduced into a place where alcohol is consumed that would send the average Joe Sixpack to jail. It’s a shame that America is still a two-tier country that let’s a certain class of people do whatever they choose to the other class.
Too bad that this so-called “good report” can only be viewed by “verified law enforcement members to protect its confidentiality.” I still say that this whole thing was slanted in favor of the Pigs involved and had the roles been reversed, the biker would be in prison right now. I’ve been living this lifestyle for 33 years and I’ve seen cops do pretty much whatever they want to whomever they want and get away with it, especially if a biker is involved.
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Bravo Bravo and Bravo……..! I am a rider but not an outlaw rider either. Nor a big fan of the largest gang in the land (law enfuckment). Pick a fight no matter what you do for a living…..act like a gangster, brandish a gun, get shot, then you deserve it! Piggy no piggy. POINT!!!!
Lesson learned: Don’t go picking fights with someone unless you are willing to take (live with) the consequences. A very simple rule to follow.
How profound you are (not)! All things being equal, I’d put my money on a 1%er over a cop any day. When cops don their “biker colors,” they’ve entered my world; I’m not allowed to don “cop colors” (not that I’d want to), so I don’t have the ability to break the law and carry weapons into places where it is illegal for everyone else to do so. There’s nothing worse than a scared person because he or she will use a gun more quickly than someone who isn’t afraid and isn’t armed. The cop who shot the HA member used (potentially) deadly force during a fist fight, and he did it because he was knocked to the floor and unable to defend himself any other way. Needless to say, the cop also knew that other cops and the court system would back him over the biker. He was just another wannabe biker playing Billy Badass, hiding a badge and an illegal weapon in his panties. Had he been any one other than a cop, he’d have gone to jail for carrying, brandishing, and discharging a weapon in a bar. South Dakota has very specific laws concerning firearms being carried into places that serve alcohol. But the truth is he was just a punk, scared out of his wits and a coward, who drew a gun on an unarmed man and shot him. Had the cop not been trying to play biker in the first place, none of this would have happened. And your warning about negative consequences is a double-edged sword; the next off-duty cop playing biker needs to be aware that some bikers shoot back or, in some cases, shoot first when confronted with idiots trying to imitate what they can never be: true bikers, especially 1%ers.
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It just seems to grate on you that there is a group out there that you have no control (nor can impose your will) over.
You should be thankful that there are law abiding bikers who wear the badge out there – not only fighting bad legislation but doing what they can to give a positive image to the biker world. An image that has been tarnished by the acts of of the very organization you identify yourself with over the years.
You won’t read about the Blue Knights bombing another club house, or starting a war inside a casino.
The incident in Sturgis was sparked by the HA. The Iron Pigs responded. Oh no, they didn’t fight fair!!!
Well let me clue you in no something, FAIR FIGHTS ARE FOR THE RING!
See, what you can’t seem to wrap your head around is the fact that the Iron Pigs aren’t bikers. They’re cops playing bikers who revert back to being cops when it suits them. On the weekends, these wannabes throw a cut-off with a three piece patch on their back, jump on their new Harleys and ride from bar to bar, talking tough and calling each other ‘Brother.’ And they do all this without fear because they know that their fellow officers will turn a blind eye to whatever they choose to do. If they instigate a fight, it’s okay to pull their service weapon and shoot an unarmed man because he’s thrashing their ass. Cops are basically too lazy to work and too scared to steal. Many were abused by their peers in school and becoming a cop puts a gun in their hands and a get out of jail free card pinned to their chests. They get the respect they never were able to earn in the real world because of their power to arrest, or worse, take your life because you scared the shit out of them.
Bikers like me are bikers 24/7. We don’t change who we are through the week, then fake living the “biker lifestyle” wearing a patch we never earned. I don’t try to impose my will on anyone, straight or biker; and believe me when I tell you that I’ve forgotten more about the law then most of these yahoos will ever know. And I know how to fight, fair or otherwise. The difference is that if I choose to fight unfairly, I go to jail, unlike police officers. What I’m saying is if you’re a cop, fine, be a cop. If you want to be a biker, a real biker, quit your chickenshit job and find a club that will take ex-cops and go through a hangaround, probationary, and probate period before you earn your patch.
Motorcycle entusiasts like the Blue Knights or ABATE members never cross the line. You KNOW who they are and what they’re about and they never try to pass themselves off as bikers. I actually respect those guys because they’re not out trying to hang with real bikers. They have their get-togethers, their runs and fundraisers, and they stick with people like them. And for the record, I’m not a member of the Hells Angels nor is my Club affiliated with them in any way, shape, or form. Further, no one in my Club has ever bombed any clubhouses or started a war inside a casino; and I do not speak for my Club. My views and opinions offered here are mine, and mine alone.
Professor Ed 1%er
IHFFE – IHDAF – FTW – NQR – FUCK THE IRON ORDER AND FUCK THE IRON PIGS
We live in a world of bad asses, wanna be bad asses, wimps and posers. They live in a world of armed, unarmed, lawyers and legality. I don’t know the difference who is cop and who is not on the road…. but I still wave to fellow riders. They don’t all wave back but most at least nod. Who knows who anyone is now a days. People should respect others and stay out of each others business, colors or not. I wasen’t there so I dont know the brutal truth from the bullshit or who was right or wrong. All I wish is that we get past the dumb stuff and share the road…. 1% + 99% = 100%, do the math. We all look the same on two wheels.
Thanks Ed 1%er, I got your point this time. I can’t speak from experience because I haven’t met any Iron Pigs or HA’s in person. I have hung out with some other patched bikers on a smaller scale and they were great guys and I was envyous of their freedom and care free attitude. My course in life took a different turn and I can’t quite commit because my family and kids are more important than colors to me. However, I love to ride but I don’t wear cut aways and pretend to be something I’m not. I’m a shaved head tattooed guy in jeans on a harley and thats probably all I’ll ever be. If I pass you on the road I’ll throw up a hand. If I pass an Iron Pig, I’ll throw up a hand. I won’t judge and I’ll show all due respect both to real bikers and cops…. and that doesn’t make me a chump. I respect all and fear none. Always have and always will. No hard feelings or disrespect intended Ed 1%er.
You’re free to “throw up a hand” to whomever you please, I am not offended by that. From what you’ve disclosed here, you know who you are and who you aren’t. You’re not out in the world playing dress up. But your statement: “I respect all and fear none,” is problematic. You SHOULD be afraid of cops running around with patches on their backs out playing Billy Bad-Biker. I have to say that it’s a little naive to respect people who haven’t earned it. They’ll eventually try to play you and THAT’S what will turn you into a chump.
When I’m out riding I don’t wave at people I don’t know. Just because someone is on a motorcycle doesn’t make them my “buddy.” And that’s not something I started doing recently; I didn’t wave at people I didn’t know when I was in high school. Take my word for it, high school for me was a long time ago! But I don’t judge anyone else for what they do or don’t do out on the road; if you want to wave, then wave. Don’t take it personally, though, if a guy wearing a patch doesn’t wave back. BTW, my Club name is Professor Ed 1%er. I earned that name. My own Brothers don’t call me “Ed.”
Professor Ed 1%er
IHFFE – IHDAF – FTW – NQR – FUCK THE IRON ORDER AND FUCK THE IRON PIGS
Your rhetoric is old and tired Professor. Your so called dedicated bad assed biker of today rides a bagger instead of a hardtail, participates in toy runs instead of defense runs, and drives his pickup to work during inclement weather. They are trying to hang on to the bad boy image of days long past. The ignorant ones may buy into that but the rest of us don’t.
There is nothing to fear from a biker who carries a badge – as long as you don’t screw with them, ergo Sturgis.
There IS something to fear from the diamond patch wearing one percenter. If a one percenter thumps on a citizen or kills someone, (never done one on one – you need four or five to one for that) he sews on a special patch to show off his deed like some sort of badge of honor.
Hate to beat a dead horse here, but you don’t see LE Clubs start wars on each other over turf or what have you. Cuz if they did, you sure as hell would hear about it.
I will say that when I have encountered one percenters one on one, they usually behave themselves and act like a decent human being.
But when you get a few together, the wolf pack mentality kicks in for some reason.
When I see a biker on the road, I don’t give a damn if he is part time or full time. It’s not for me to judge if he is ‘real’ or not. I look for what’s inside.
Talk about old and tired rhetoric! You don’t argue the points I raise, instead you turn to ad hominem attacks. Then you attack one-percenters for allegedly ganging up on others during fights, but you seem to forget your earlier statement, “Oh no, they didn’t fight fair!!! Well let me clue you in no(sic) something, FAIR FIGHTS ARE FOR THE RING!” So it’s okay for your so-called cop “bikers” to not fight fair, ie. pulling a weapon on an unarmed man during a fist fight and shooting him, but if true one-percent bikers try to protect one of their own by “ganging up” on usually armed and/or intoxicated idiots that decide they can “take that guy wearing those patches,” then we’re bad guys according to you. Funny, I can show you video after video of cops ganging up on a single person and either wrestling, beating or tasering him or her to the ground usually after a single officer failed to be able to control the subject, but I guess that doesn’t count.
As for the “special patch” we wear for certain services done for our Brothers or our Patch, I proudly wear five of them. And I won’t apologize for a single one. I didn’t go looking for those situations, they were forced on me and I had to respond. But once again, you confer ‘biker’ status to anyone riding a motorcycle; and my point is, and has always been, that’s where your argument falls apart for me. Being a biker is a lifestyle choice and it’s for life, 24/7. We may ride baggers these days, but at least we ride; and I don’t own a pick up truck of any kind. Anyway, I’m through with this blog, it’s pointless to keep going round and round with you. You good folks can have your little “rally ’round the cops” website. I’m moving on.
Professor Ed 1%er
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O.K. Professor Ed 1%er, I didn’t realize using “Ed” would be a big problem for you so I apologize. Anyhow, my statement of “respect all and fear none” means exactly that. I show initial respect for all people at first but if that mutual respect is not returned that person can kiss my ass. Fear none means I am not afraid to stand my ground with anyone, even if it means me kicking their ass or them kicking mine. I grew up in an environment that you handled your business like a man and not a chump. Someone might try to play me….. some have….. but I got the last laugh. See, God blessed me with the gift of a hard head and heavy hands with the capacity to use them. However I am not a bully and never will be. I give every person a fair chance and the benefit of the doubt and treat them the way I want to be treated. I would treat Professor Ed 1%er the same as I would Retired LE. To me, what is real or not real? Who cares! I dont have to be afraid of cops being bikers because they wont have any need to confront me because I live within the limit of the law 99% of the time. My 1% is battery of some prick who thought he could play me but found out he couldnt. I dont have to be afraid of “real bikers” because I’m not a threat in their world because I show them respect and I dont try to pretend to be one of them when I know I’m not. I’m not a cop or a “real biker”. I’m just a guy who rides and is not afraid of cops or “real bikers”. BTW, I’m still gonna wave at you Professor Ed and I wont be offended if you dont wave back.
To Professor Ed 1%er:
You are a hypocrite!
re: “Motorcycle enthusiasts like the Blue Knights or ABATE members never cross the line.”
The Blue Knights ARE cops and DO wear 3 piece colors and are considered a cop club. (what line??)
re: “If you want to be a biker, a real biker, quit your chickenshit job and find a club that will take ex-cops and go through a hangaround, probationary, and probate period before you earn your patch.”
So….YOU quit your chickenshit job to be a biker??? That is a load of chicken shit. There is EVERY career represented in the 1% world. Dr., Lawyer, Pilot, Actor, Construction, Retail, Sales, Real Estate…ha! and sometimes even Law Enforcement. So WTF is up? You, telling cops to quit their job to PLAY biker.
2nd…Obviously you don’t know shit about cop clubs. There IS a probation period and new prospects get the same education about clubs as you did. They also take the same crap as you did…although probably not to the same extent as you. I will give you credit there. You had to be available for anything and everything for any PH 24/7.
So, cops don’t just buy a new bike & boots, saunter in to their local cop club meeting, throw down a few bucks for a patch and go home and have the wife sew it on. Just as you could be washed out of a club by one vote – same too with the cop club.
(btw: quite a few 1%er’s ride brand new bikes – comfy old man bikes at that – guess they got the money for them from their chicken shit job)
However, your reasoning does sound good to people who haven’t a clue, about either side.
One thing is certain… BOTH sides, LE PH’s & 1 % PH’s have type “A” personalities.
You’re just pissed because even the Blue Knights won’t let a split tail join their little club. If you knew half as much about true Club riders as you think you do, you’d be worth debating. But I don’t debate idiots or old ladies, and you’re one or the other (both?). I have a job, thank you. But on my job I’m still a biker. I LIVE THE LIFE, I AM THE LIFE. And you don’t know shit about the Iron Order who put out applications for people to fill out and then, if they meet their criteria, they get voted in and have to buy the patch the wear. Again, a club that doesn’t patch women. They have no probationary period, some ride jap bikes, and most are either active or retired LE. Just more punks playing biker. You’d fit right in with them. I could probably hook you up with one if you’d like. I don’t mind making the introductions…
Professor Ed 1%er
Blackdogrider makes some good points.
If you aren’t out looking for trouble, you probably won’t find any. If it’s just a bad luck kind of day and it does find you, then of course you deal with it.
I have never been too proud to wave back when the gesture is sent my way. My ego has never been that big. As long as all of the fingers are used of course. (small joke there)
Thanks Retired LE. Throwin’ a hand back at you with all fingers accounted for. Same for Professor Ed. I love everybody around here.
You like to toss out insults and obscenities when cornered Professor… I can get down to your level quite easily.
You’re an idiot with just enough education to be dangerous. Dangerous in that someone may actually believe the crap that you hand out.
If you bothered to do even a little research you would already know that the Blue Knights DO allow women in their ranks. But the fact that you are an ignorant moron gets in the way of that.
Split tail? Who taught you that term? Or is this another way your kind shows respect for women? Oh, I forgot… property of… that’s right isn’t it? Property Of? That’s showing respect all right….
I don’t know much about the Iron Order. You apparently are already an expert on that club. Good for you. To be honest, I would rather spend time with them than with the likes of you.
The only thing you and your kind represent for people in my walk of life is job security. Without you, we would be out of work.
As long as there are doughnut shops and prostitutes cops will have job security. You threw out the first insult, not me. BTW, I wouldn’t LET you spend time with me and mine because once a pig, always a pig. And you’ll never reach my level, up or down. Well, not without a gun and a partner to back you up anyway. Just crawl on back to your local watering hole where you and the rest of your friends can raise a glass to all the “righteous busts” you’ve made. Or maybe go rent a good cop movie so you can get your rocks off one more time practicing your quick-draw skills. To call what you did ‘work’ is an insult to people who really do. Have a nice life…or don’t. Makes me no difference. I’m out.
Professor Ed 1%er
IHFFE – IHDAF – FTW – NQR – FUCK THE IRON ORDER AND FUCK THE IRON PIGS – AND WHILE WE’RE AT IT, FUCK ALL LE, ACTIVE-RETIRED-OTHERWISE…
You will live on one side of the law, and I on the other.
I don’t see that changing any time soon.
By the way, how did those federal drug charges turn out on your chapter in Maine? Maybe your club didn’t start a war in a casino, but certain members seem to like dealing and transporting narcotics.
Is that a proper activity for a club to engage in? That’s not even close to being a toy run. That’s despicable conduct (which serves to undermine our society) so your so called brothers can make a buck. Nice..
I hear several of your brothers got themselves convicted in that case. How long of a drive is it from Indiana?
ed
the first insult came via your your sig.
quite special & heartwarming.
your responses are predictable.
i tried to find something in your words to tell me otherwise, however i see nothing in you but a typical punk, albeit an ‘old’ punk.
TO: Professor Ed 1%er
I’ve read your views on “fake” bikers, i.e., police officers who wear uniforms for work, and colors for riding. I’ve been riding for 43 years and have friends on both sides of the line. One of my best friends is now HA, and we stay in contact because we served together in the Army. We have an agreement… I don’t ask about his activities in HAs, and he doesn’t ask about my activities as a cop. We want to remain friends because we served in combat together, and that transcends any barriers.
What defines a “real biker?” Do you have to be an outlaw biker to be real? It that’s your view, I think it’s skewed. Many of us “cop bikers” are dedicated to our clubs and riding. I can only speak for myself, but I spend as much of my off-duty time as I can riding my sled and enjoying the open road. If I had plenty of coin, I’d quit work and spend even more time riding, but I have a family to support and a community that I am dedicated to protecting, so I work.
You attack cops, but I’d bet you’d be glad to see us if some cager slammed into you, or someone hurt your family. If I’m wrong, then you really have your mind set against cops and no amount of conversation (blogging) will change that.
It’s funny, I run into OMGs on the road and have never had a problem. We look at each other, nod our heads in recognition of a greater goal (riding free), and go our separate ways. Maybe they don’t start shit because they know I’m a cop, e.g., armed, but regardless… there is peace.
Tejano
Mac,
Thanks for putting this out there… I just caught your article now. I have been in the lifestyle since I was a kid and seen many travesties of the laws of the land. As a younger man I did not care about any ones law man or Gods…times have changed for me anyway..
I agree that there are way too many people playing a role, only the person in his heart really knows. Times have changed, we rode when it was unpopular.. now it is the popular thing and many just love to ride.
That has been good for the rest of us, except the prices!
It boils down to be true to who you really are and keep speaking the truth when you see things that we know are not right.
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I hope our paths cross some day..
Keep the shiny side up!
I am the Founder and First International President of the Iron Pigs Motorcycle Club. I would like to start by saying that ED obviously has no clue of what he is spewing; as much as he is blogging I doubt that he even has a scooter. It is obvious that he does not know that our prospects have a 6 to 12 month or longer prospect period and have to be available for our full patches 24/7. Unlike 1% Mc’s we DO NOT ask our PROSPECTS to commit crimes!
This may come as a surprise to you that our members log hundreds of thousands of miles yearly on their scoots, our membership REQUIERS you have a scoot registered to you, should you not, you get placed on probation for one year until you get another scoot. If you don’t get another scoot your rag is PULLED!
We have members with their own shops and very dedicated members that build and ride their own scooters. We are not liked by the OMG world who cares? We are not in the same line of work and not looking for problems but we also do not get bullied or intimidated. Contrary to what you may think from your narrowed scope of understanding we just want to ride and hang out with our brothers.
For you to be so concerned by who we are and what we do tells me that you are threatened by us fueled by your obvious conspiracy theory. I am going to clue you into a little secret if a cop gets charged with a crime we are more of often prosecuted more diligently than a citizen accused of the same crime because we are held to a higher standard.
Do I care what you think, not really. I will tell you that I was a traffic cop and have let dozens of 1%ers off on traffic violations; did you ever hear of one of your 1%er brothers being let off by a cop? I am willing to bet you haven’t because of the bullshit bravado macho bullshit you guys have a tendency to spew and looking at your previous posts I think I have made my point.
The shooting in Sturgis was a very unfortunate event and could have easily been avoided if 1%er’s would just act civil in public settings. I would like to see your response if you were attacked by numerous known criminals, you are expecting that he should have layed down taken a beating and surrendered his colors, really? That my miscreant friend will not happen. Did you know that the HA member that was shot was under DEA charges for a large narcotics case, now that’s a surprise. Is that what it takes to be a real biker?
We have been here for 10 years and had very minor issues until this happened and GOD willing we will be here long after you and I have turned into worm food. Respect is a two way street you stay in your lane and we will stay in ours.
Trouble
First International President and Founder Iron Pigs MC
So because a person has a marijuana charge it makes it alright to shoot him. You think 1% have this bravado attitude, well 90% of LE have short man syndrome and think they deserve respect just because of a badge. Their are pieces of shit from all walks of life. You being LE I would think you would be more aware of what has and is going on in the world. I assume you have heard of Serpico? How about the LAPD, Las Vegas Metro, the 57 precinct in NYC? Dade County police department? Lou Eppolito and his partner murdering for the mob. John Connelly, former FBI, Whitey Bulger associate. I’ve got probably a hundred more. All cops or whole precincts charged with everything from robberies, assault, drug dealing, and murder. So you need to come off your hi horse and delusional reality that all cops are here to serve and protect. Bullshit! I have very good friends on both sides of the law and yes there are great cops that actually act like human beings. There is a reason why people are scared of the cops and would not call them or cooperate for nothing. I grew up out in the middle of nowhere and everyone on our little dirt road looked out for each other and everyone out there was armed to the teeth. We never called 911 and wouldn’t wait 30 minutes before someone responded. In 48 years the only use or need I have ever needed for a cop was a report on a deer hit for my insurance. If I can’t handle the situation then I’ve got myself into something that I should be man enough to accept what happens. It would be on me because of my actions and because of my upbringing and my intelligence/street smarts, I’ve never been in that situation. Yes there are individuals in clubs that commit crimes but you can’t label them all as such. I’m in no way labeling you as a bad cop because of all the other bad cops. Your arguing with Professor Ed and throwing insults about his lifestyle and you make yourself look totally ignorant. Your the pot calling the kettle black when it comes to good biker, bad biker, good cop, bad cop. When human beings are involved there will be questionable behavior. I was raised around the biker lifestyle by the way. My dad has been riding with the same M/C that he is a founding member of since 1971. The club grew very large mostly due to the majority of the members, including my father, were Vietnam Vets looking for brotherhood with people who loved to ride and understood where each other has been. They did not wear a 1% patch but I will admit that I witnessed various illegal activity growing up but it was individuals doing this on their own doings. I will also say that these people would give you the shirt off their back and be the first to stop and see if you needed help if you were broke down along the road. I’ve been broke down and have a cop drive slowly pass me and just look at me and keep driving. So don’t compare LE to God because your not even close. My personal interaction has been with more asshole cops that think their in a fucking movie or something. I have no clue what is going through their head during a routine traffic stop but have your chest puffed up like you have something to prove. You treat a person like a human being and the police would get more respect and everyone can go about their business. That goes the other way also. I grew up around people who were the biggest meanest assholes you ever met. They were the real deal but kids and women were not to be seen or heard in their world. They respected only who they thought deserved it. I don’t agree with that either. I’ll wrap this up with one last statement. The Iron Order are a cop club full of pieces of shit who go around causing trouble. They give cop clubs a very bad name. When cops start acting like those assholes, then that’s when they bring on well deserved problems. Respect to those who deserve it.
To trouble916,
You sound like an educated person.Why is it that it is ok for the Iron Pigs to ride more than two strong? It is my understanding that law enforcement targets other clubs as being gangs if they ride more than two strong.The configuration of youre patches is also contradicting, this is an entire point you and youre fellow LEO seem to be missing.Being in an M/C is a tribal thing that you obviosly dont understand, and while claiming that 1% M/C’s are somehow criminals because some clubs may have members that make bad choices that reflect on them all as a whole.So how about the next time a LEO is charged with a crime everyone in their department should be brought up on RICO charges, like the justice system does to other club members, or groups of people that have a brotherhood or fellowship.I get around allot and I talk to allot of people about the things I think about, and all agree that youre club and seeing you guys out on youre bikes looks like a joke and it goes to show how broken things are in this so called land of the free, you assholes try to pretend like the people you ( the Law) stereotype and waste tax payer money trying to sneak into their clubs and trick them into making deals so you can bust them,you cock suckers will even go as far as to supply the drugs or guns,does the word entrapment ring any bells, truth is give a dog a bone and he will take it club or no club the human species is a preditor just like a wolf our eyes are in the front of our face. clubs labeled as outlaws look out for one another,,,unity works dumb fuck and the point of the patches and what one does for another is a tribal thing.you would not understand that either.Youre club reminds me of the the white kids that wear their pants around their knees,listen to rap music and call their other white friends my niggaz.Now to the point of that shooting that took place at sturgis, how come the other leos were not charged with assult, I know for a fact from personal experience if you are with someone that is involved in a crime you are just as guilty.Thats some bullshit to and its an outrage.So you created the Iron Pigs- you should get rid of it,being in an M/C is a lifestyle choice just like being a LEO is you cant have youre cake and eat it you greedy bastard,why do you think federal law allows leos to cary a firearm any where any place, thats because you assholes are supposed to live the lifestyle of a leo and uphold the law on or off duty,but no youre better than that, why should you have to respect the law and its boundries, I bet you have a small dick to( I know what you are thinking,How did he know?).I really should not have wasted my time writing this post,I could not help myself though, you think you have the right to look like an outlaw biker, well its my constitutional right to state my opinion and I just really wanted to tell you what a piece of shit i think you and youre club is,and furthermore their is not a GOD DAMN thing you can do about that so FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! and FUCK YOU!,,so i wander when you guys go on runs do you go to bath houses and suck each other off?.Wow youre the international president and founder, youre nothing but the gang leader of a tax payer funded crime organization. Thats sounds pretty bad dont it,, just like you cock suckers label other people.I hope that you and the Iron Pigs have a wonderful time butt fucking each other every chance you get, give youre second in command a dirty sanchez for me will ya, and put a couple of strokes in for me to while you are at it. God Bless America
I thought this thread was dead and buried….. but it does show that whatever side you belong to (or support), nothing we say here is going to change it. It does however show that one side seems to have a propensity to resort to name calling, obscenities, and insults when faced with an opposing view – in what appears to be a misguided effort to lend some credibility to their views. But sadly, it only succeeds in verifying the negative image (stereotype) they are (and have been) saddled with.
Ironpigs huh!
Keep my eyes open.
And piss on there bikes
Your use of the word in the context you used it in is incorrect. It would be spelled (t h e i r) – as in ‘piss on their bikes’. Not that I would suggest you do that. You might lose some teeth if they happened to catch you.