The Seattle PI reported yesterday that an off-duty Seattle police officer attending the Sturgis Rally was detained in a shooting that left a Hells Angels MC member injured early Saturday morning. UPDATE: Sturgis Police identified the Hells Angels member as 33 year old Joseph McGuire of Imperial Beach, CA. The police officer is a member of the Iron Pigs Motorcycle club which is open to all law enforcement and firefighters who own and ride a V-Twin.
The confrontation happened on Main Street about 1 a.m. at the Loud American Roadhouse between the Hell’s Angels and members of the Iron Pigs Motorcycle club. It included five other Seattle law enforcement members and the Seattle Police Department has
“All five officers placed on administrative reassignment (relieved of duty) pending further investigation by the South Dakota authorities.”
Loud American Roadhouse, Sturgis
It was reported that as many as 500 people were inside the club when officers from several agencies converged on the bar, evacuating patrons and securing the club. Dean Kinney, one of the bar’s owners, told the Rapid City Journal in Rapid City, S.D., that workers at the bar noticed several Hell’s Angels gathering in and outside the bar, and actually called police prior to the shooting as a precaution.
The Sturgis rally has a reputation, but Saturday’s shooting is the first to take place during the rally in nearly 20 years.
An unfortunate way to end the rally. I plan to follow this story and watch if the “spin” machine goes into overdrive!
Update #1: more background on the Iron Pigs M/C HERE.
Update #2: Sturgis Police identified the Hells Angels member as 33 year old Joseph McGuire of Imperial Beach, CA. Police are not releasing the Seattle Policeman name out of fears of his safety.
Update #3: The Rapid City Journal identified the Seattle police officer as Ronald Smith (43, of Seattle, WA). More info posted HERE.
Update #4: August 14th – Seattle PI is reporting that Hells Angel member Joseph Patrick McGuire was arrested Jan. 18, 2007, as part of an investigation by the Drug Enforcement Administration and the San Diego Police Department. Police served warrants on two San Diego-area homes that belonged to the president of the Hells Angels’ local chapter. McGuire is the chapter treasurer and was arrested at one of the homes in Pacific Beach, Calif. Police seized a pound and a half of marijuana, in addition to hydrocodone and oxycodone pills, and $5,000 in cash. The San Diego chapter president and vice president were charged in a separate cases in the investigation. McGuire was released on bond and scheduled for a pre-trial hearing Aug 20 in San Diego County Superior Court, with his trial set for September. He was charged with possession of marijuana for sale and two counts of illegal possession of narcotics.
Update #5: August 15, 2008 – Seattle Times is reporting that Smith testified against the HAMC in a high-profile racketeering and murder case last year. His testimony was characterized as “pretty periphery” to the case, however, suggestions were hinted that the Sturgis confrontation could be linked.
Update #6: September 5, 2008: The Argus Leader is reporting that both men (McGuire (HAMC) and Smith (Iron Pigs)) are charged with alternative counts of aggravated and simple assault. Smith was also charged with perjury. In addition, misdemeanor gun charges were also brought against the four other fellow bikers with Smith (also part of the Iron Pigs): Scott Lazalde (Bellingham, WA); Dennis McCoy (Seattle, WA); Erik Pingel (Aurora, CO) and James Rector (Ferndale, WA).
Update #7: September 9, 2008 – The Seattle.pi is reporting that the perjury charge has been dismissed against Smith. The grand jury indicted Smith last month on charges of aggravated assault, perjury and illegal possession of a concealed weapon. Smith initially stated he was carrying his personal firearm, but the Seattle Police Department records contradicted him, showing that it was a department-issued gun. This was the evidence that was presented which resulted in the perjury charge.
Update #8: September 17, 2008 – Aggravated assault charges dropped. See HERE for more info.
Update: #9: November 18, 2008 – All weapons charges dropped. See HERE for more info.
Update: #10: February 25, 2009 – In a plea agreement Joseph McGuire (HAMC) pleads no contest to simple assault (versus aggravated assault) and was sentenced to one year in the Meade County Jail. According to Rapid City Journal, McGuire’s sentence was suspended as long as he does not break the law. No fines were imposed, but he can not attend this years rally.
Update: #11: May 7, 2010 – Detective Ronald Smith has filed a lawsuit against the city of Seattle and the Seattle Police Department. Even though all charges were dropped the suit alleges the department disparaged him and negligently provided false information that led to his indictment on a perjury charge. This was an embarrassment and the lawsuit contends his reputation was harmed.
Iron Pigs M/C logo courtesy of web site and Loud American Roadhouse photo courtesy of Yan Soderlin / Rapid City Journal
Northwest Harley Blog 
What was the shooting about? Was it provoked or just a rival motorcycle brouhaha? That is an unfortunate way to end the rally.
It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Having met some of these “law enforcement ” clubs, it seems that they want to talk the talk- emulating the outlaw bikers- but hiding behind their badges when it comes down to brass tacks. Add to that the recent arrests in California of current and retired cops in conjunction with a bike theft ring and you begin to see a possible trend. It makes you wonder who are the real bad guys- the OMG’s who are open and straight forward about their disregard for society, or the cops who wear their unforms during the day and commit their crimes off-duty?
Just my 2 cents worth.
I believe your ‘observation’ to be an accurate description of how things REALLY operate. As usual not in all cases, but seems to becoming more the norm as time goes on.
It’s a shame it came to gun play with the visiting Cops.
I’m glad no one was killed in the crowded venue.
-Dave
@ Bear – agree it does seem law enforcement types are breaking laws more every day.
I was in the back and the cops could not have arrived as quick as they did and with the numbers that were there. We were out the back door within 2 minutes after the second shot and my shirt had a lazer light show on it from the ar’s and riot shot guns. Could it be a “Cop Hit”? Who do I talk to about my rights as we were detained for 1 1/2 hours with out any rights? We saw 4 Angel patch holders and that was it. Someting is not right.
I was in the bar that night and i seen the hells angles patches they were there for a reason, but why would they mess with a police officer for no reason there is always a reason people dont just get singled out for no reason at all. If you ask me judging by what i have read about this cop he aint no saint, and another thing why is he not in more trouble he squeezed off 2 shots in a bar that was so full you couldn’t stand up without running into somebody he could have very easily hit an innocent person who was just there to have fun. And why did he feel the need to shoot the article said he feared for his safety. He shot an on armed man just cause he was getting his ass kicked. The fight would have not gone on much longer any way there are cops every where. I was standing at the entrance and the bouncer ran right by me yelling for a cop who was right in front of the bar. by the time the bouncer entered back into the bar the off duty cop had already shot twice. In my opinion there s way more to the story than we’ve been told but i think the off duty cop should way more than a slap on the wrist for his actions this is not the first time he’s been in trouble crooked possibly.
anybody with legal questions may call the National Coalition of Motorcyclists 800 662 2453
Well I can smell a cover-up from here…
ACAB !!!! First off there is a law on the books in S.D that prohibits anyone including off duty police to carry a firearm into a drinking establishment….hence’no gun,no crime
The Iron Pigs MC hide behind their badges and think they can break laws if the time is right…society has enough loose cannons,so put them on Gold Wings,give them a bath,and put them back in uniform…maybe a refresher course in Law might help as well !!!!!
This shooter(cop)was the problem’ by bringing the weapon to the bar,the funny part is his ass getting beat down…I see no crime for that !!
81 supporter Kat
Alger
@ Kathy – not all is what it seems on the Sturgis shooting. I did cover the Policeman’s record at: https://nwhog.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/when-iron-pigs-fly/
I’m not excusing the shooting action, but the Seattle PI is reporting that Hells Angel member Joseph Patrick McGuire was no saint…he was arrested Jan. 18, 2007, as part of an investigation by the Drug Enforcement Administration and the San Diego Police Department. Police served warrants on two San Diego-area homes that belonged to the president of the Hells Angels’ local chapter. McGuire is the chapter treasurer and was arrested at one of the homes in Pacific Beach, Calif. Police seized a pound and a half of marijuana, in addition to hydrocodone and oxycodone pills, and $5,000 in cash. The San Diego chapter president and vice president were charged in separate cases in the investigation. McGuire was released on bond and scheduled for a pre-trial hearing Aug 20 in San Diego County Superior Court, with his trial set for September. He was charged with possession of marijuana for sale and two counts of illegal possession of narcotics.
Wow- lots of time devoted by many who have no idea what the F _ _ _ they are talking about. First off- HR218 enables all active and retired LEOs to carry a firearm anywhere, anytime.
Does anyone actually believe that the Iron Pig member went off and just started shooting for no reason? It is obvious he used restraint- only two rounds were fired and apparently must have struck the intended target.
I have read so much crap over the last several days about wanna be biker cops and all. Yeah so what- there are cops that ride Harleys. Most wear leather and boots- some even wear colors. I have been on the job for 24 years. I have seen my share of crap- I have also ridden bikes for over 30 years. Yeah so- we are out there- why? Certainly not to throw our weight around, run a criminal enterprise or engage in unfettered violence with anyone who does not share our views, values, dislike your chosen profession or any other difference you can conjure up that makes you/us different. I ride because I love to ride. I affiliate with my club because of shared values and experiences- similiar to all the other examples of what many identify with as a “brotherhood.” I ride my bike, wear the Wild Pig MC patch with pride and don’t look for trouble. I and my associates will extend respect when respect is shown in turn.
A Grand Jury was convened to evaluate this event and it appears as though it is now in their hands.
Realize that these Law Enforcement Clubs are out there- moreso than many realize. Co-exist- don’t confront… Live and let live and leave me the fuck alone with all the bullshit.
@ Scrape – I appreciate your visit/comments but not sure why so much angst?
I authored the posts and made it clear that Federal law enacted in 2004; HR218 supersedes the state law, allowing off-duty LEOs to carry weapons anywhere they choose. I’ve read HR 218 at: http://www.leaa.org/218/218text.html
Clearly it spells out the qualified law enforcement officer requirements and we’ll find out soon enough what influence alcohol played on Smith’s actions and if he’ll be prosecuted. HAMC member McGuire has his own set of legal issues beyond healing from the near fatal shots.
Like you I ride because I love to ride.
But anyone (cop or otherwise) who pulls a gun and starts shooting in a bar (oh yeah, did I mention the other 5 cops with him?) as ~500 people party defies any common sense and I suspect goes against training guidance you’ve received as a LEO.
The book is titled “Honor Few Fear None. The life and times of a mongol. It is written by their National President Ruben “Doc” Cavazos. Go to the library or bookstore and take a gander at it. For God sakes, do not waste your money on a copy. It seems to be a warning (or threat) on page 195. It reads, “You have Law Enforcement people who are dying to be a bad boy- like Billy Queen but worse. Those guys have created their own motorcycle clubs made up exclusively of Law Enforcement people. The Quarry Boys (Believed to be the Choir Boys), Lords of Loyalty, The Wild Pigs and numerous others” When there off duty they put on the outfit. The jeans, the bandana pulled real low over their foreheads, they tattoo themselves all up and they really feel like their bad boys. There basically imitating us in every way except one. There not willing to pay the price what we pay. There not willing to put up with harassment and challenges we live with. The problem is when they step over to our life, like for instance wearing the California rocker. They figure because they are the law, even when they are not in uniform, nobody is going to challenge them about it. Well here’s the deal— if your running around dressing and acting like an outlaw biker, going to our bars and everything else, then you have to play by our rules. We don’t give a shit what you do when you go to work”.
This street level philosophy or mentality might be what got this solid, totally innocent, citizen and humanitarian shot twice. I am sure he did not mean any of it. It was probably just a failure to communicate. It seems, in this type of non-sense, it is either pass or fail. If it was some sort of test, I suppose he barely passed given the fact he is still breathing. I guess they both parties passed given that standard.
Having been tested a number of times myself already in this life, given a similar circumstance, and “getting long in the tooth”, I just don’t know if I would have waited for a “beat down” to occur.
Moral of the story, be very careful who you choose to do personal combat with or be prepared to accept the outcome whichever way it goes. These type of encounters are not sporting events. Everyone will pay a price and nobody really wins. I am glad no third parties were injured or worse. I, for one, promise to do my part and never start any trouble with anyone….
Regards, W.
Typical and Disturbing.
@ Widowmaker – thanks for the book pointer. I LOL at “this solid, totally innocent, citizen and humanitarian shot twice” comment. The personal combat guidance is good advice.
Mac it is not so much angst- but frustration. Your blog spot is only one of many that I have read or have had links sent to me over the past days and frankly most seem to have a number of folks that obviously while never having been tested themselves- find it funny or acceptable that someone got a beat down. The mentality that exists in some is that cops have no business riding bikes for recreation, joining clubs or going into “their” bars- please! While I was not present at The Loud American- I have certainly been “tested” before. I have certainly paid my dues and as I too am getting “a little long in the tooth”- I have no desire whatsoever to be beat down- and certainly would not allow it to the best of my ability. If the circumstances were such that the staff at The Loud American could sense trouble and had alerted the locals to a potential problem- and the fact that their testimony tends to support the Iron Pigs as being in control and not causing trouble- what was the other guy thinking. Was this a Prospect trying to prove himself? or just some knucklehead that thought it would be manly for he and several of his buddies to jump on one guy? Certainly if I was faced with those odds I may have responded in the same mannner as the Iron Pig member. Your comment about the action defying common sense may require additional information regarding the facts. It is no doubt that due to the IPs training only two shots were fired, struck the intended target, and resulted in no other injuries. Obviously all of us armchair quarterbacks have opinions- mostly based upon our orientation and/or affiliation- but seemingly to me the whole mess could have been avoided if the confrontation was not forced upon those present.
No one really knows what went on. The HA’s have been involved in Sturgis for years WITH NO PROBLEMS. Rumor has it that many more 1% clubs will be going to Sturgis in the following years. So this will be the first of many stories. You can also rest assured that many more cops, undercovers and the like will be there EVERY YEAR NOW! The HA’s are certainly an MC gang. No question about that but most are polite and go out of their way NOT to get on the front page. Sounds like a few drunks got into a dispute. Happens everyday. Only difference here is these guys play with real guns and their frail ego’s make them trigger happy. Let me see, outlaw bikers, police and booze?? What the hell do you expect! Most HA’s are law abiding but that does not excuse the fact that they are a notorious gang involved in drugs, extortion and murder. If they want to be “one for all” then even the so-called law abider’s of the gang should be considered the murderous thugs that they are. Not excusing the police either. We all have tales of the badge wearers who act hardcore behind the badge and the so-called brotherhood of the law. If they want to play MC then they better understand what MC 1% clubs are all about and dish out the respect they want in return. Because the bottom line is. These 1% gangs will not put up with any crap from ANYONE not even police! So educate yourself and know exactly what your getting into when you decide to slap a patch on your back and cruise around acting like a cool hard ass biker. It’s America and your free to do so but be respectful everywhere you go or pay the price for your ignorance. The sad thing is this tough guy crap hurts the regular social club rider. Now they will think twice before going to Sturgis and so will many. This crap hurts every motorcycle rider. All because people want to shoot crap up and show how cool they are. Real cool huh?
Does anyone remember what happened 2 years ago on aug 8, 2006????
There was a shooting at Custer State Park which involved 2 Hells Angels, and the Outlaws, which by the way had their backs turned at the time the shooting started. Peoples lives were changed that day, forever.
To report that this is the first shooting at Sturgis since 1990 is absurd!!!
Custer State Park may not be in the city limits of Sturgis, but you can bet your sweet a– that the members that opened fire on unsuspecting rival club members were attending the rally.
Everyone needs to quit trying to sweep the 2006 incident under the rug.
All of it makes me sick.
Pervert and Soup,
of course you two stuck around to testify for the grand jury, or at the very least give statements about what you saw. If not I would encourage you to contact the states attorney in South Dakota soon. Possibly before he reconvienes the grand jury on the 27th.
Kathy
Unfortunately for all of us federal law outranks state law. a few years back Bush signed a law says cops can carry anywhere anytime on duty or off, even in a bar, as long as they are not intoxicated. Be interesting to see what this guys BAC was at the time. and Yea, gonna be a big broom used on this one.
Mac, lets talk about the cop being suspended once for intimidation and having a reprimand another time for taunting people, common, they both have two strikes, in hand to hand combat only a coward pulls a gun.
Scrape, the officer himself said that this prospect started an argument with him. I thought you guys were trained to avoid arguments. and, it takes two to argue. Being the professional shouldn’t Smith have just taken the opportunity for him and his buddies to walk away? The IPMC websites are very very challenging, “cut one we all bleed” that is stolen from a major club. How about “challenge one you challenge a national brotherhood” Or my favorite, “we will always be a three piece club, we don’t ask permission” Yea, so much for live and let live. He had the chance to be professional and not argue and walk away, he chose a different path.
and Scrape again: you said, “The mentality that exists in some is that cops have no business riding bikes for recreation, joining clubs or going into “their” bars- please!
nobody said they can’t ride bikes, and if they want to join a club thats fine, they are not joining clubs they are making clubs up, and they are not following the long established rules for starting a club by getting permission. It is by their own mouth on their websites that the thumb their nose at long established protocol and issue very challenging sounding statements. If they want to start clubs fine, let them be sanctioned same as every other club in America. If they hold themselves separate and “better than everyone” their going to get treated different by the whole community.
Widomaker…..lol, couldn’t have said it better. Yep
Cribs, HA are an MC gang? well which is it, MC or gang? and, if you look at IPMC website, they make the statment “challenge one you challenge a national brotherood” so, I guess we can consider them as dangerous as anyone else.
joemamma, nobody is trying to sweep custer under the rug. But, that is club business between two clubs, and you don’t hear either of them whinning or cry babying about it do you? However, when you have cops that want to throw on a three piece patch and create very challenging websites in the tone of outlaws, they are going to get treated the same. If they want to be part of the biker life they have to play by the biker rules, and if they can’t hold their mud, perhaps another hobby is in order. One has to wonder though what Smiths buddies were doing, they certainly didn’t live up to the “challenge one you challenge a national brotherhood” as stated on their website, or the “cut one we all bleed” good thing it wasn’t hit one we all shoot huh?
WindyJoe- very thought provoking comments but I have to tell you- the whole idea of getting “permission” to start a club really rubs me the wriong way. I believe that particular protocol spun out of the different clubs that are/were engaged in illicit activities. The permission angle may have been the need to protect ones territory or at least be able to monitor the competition or at least tax it in some way.
As far as sanctioninig goes- you will find that without exception many of the non-leo clubs belong to various coalitions. The coalition of clubs in our area will not allow membership of anyone who has arrest powers- hence there is usually no opportunity to mediate disputes on that level with any group who may have an issue with us. These coalitions are strong groups that also work on lobby efforts, legal defense etc.
Obviously it would have been better to avoid the conflict. At some point the exchange escalated. Should the IP have walked away? No probably not. It would likely only have made things worse for the next IP that was encountered. This guy was off duty- was he required to be “professional” as you indicated- and should he have walked away. He was challenged and shit went south. I’m glad that neither he nor anyone else were hurt any worse than they were. As for his comrades- from the news accounts I have read they too took action- holding the others off until the locals could get there- which I understand was only moments due to the fact they had been summoned by management already.
Sometimes you can’t just walk away. Why- knowing that the IPs are an LEO Club- would anyone have chosen to pick shit with them? You have to assume that they are armed and they if need be they are trained, likely would not back down and would take some form of action- especially if jumped on. I certainly would not go up to an 81 and start a fracas. Why? What purpose does it serve?
I personally don’t believe in nor do I see a need for posing at any level. I enjoy the ride and the company of the guys I ride with. I can hold my mud. Take care, ride safe, respect one another.
INFO FOR ACTIVE & RETIRED OFFICERS.
For those of you who CCW inter-state under HR 218, here is some sobering
news…
Federal firearms act cannot be used in case
By Journal staff Friday, August 29, 2008
The Meade county grand jury that indicted a Seattle police officer for
bringing a gun into a Sturgis bar in the early morning hours of Aug. 9 could
not have used the federal Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 to
exonerate him, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms
and Explosives said Thursday.
Congress passed that law in the wake of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11,
2001, to exempt qualified law enforcement officers from state laws that
prohibit the carrying of a concealed weapon. But because the legislation was
never implemented by its rule-making agency – the U.S. Attorney General’s
office — the Meade County grand jury could not have used it in any case to
defend the actions of Seattle policeman Ronald Smith, according to Carrie
DiPirro, public information officer in the Denver office of the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Nowhere in America would that act
have been considered by a grand jury, DiPirro said.
“The act was passed, but it’s never been enforced by the Attorney General’s
office,” she said. Congress directed the U.S. Attorney General’s office to
meet the conditions for its implementation – such as establishing the
necessary databases and identifications — something which DiPirro said
apparently has never been done.
The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act amended the federal criminal code to
authorize qualified law enforcement officers (including certain qualified
retired officers) carrying the photographic identification issued by their
governmental agency, notwithstanding state or local laws, to carry a
concealed firearm. That authorization is not intended to supersede state
laws that permit private entities to prohibit the possession of concealed
firearms on their property, or prohibit the possession of firearms on state
or local government property. The law also would not cover any officer under
the influence of alcohol and it excludes from the definition of “firearm”
any machine gun, firearm silencer, or destructive device.
Smith and four other men were charged on two alternative concealed weapon
permit violations. According to the South Dakota Secretary of State’s Web
site, Washington and South Dakota do not have reciprocity of concealed
weapons permits, but Attorney General Larry Long said Thursday he could not
immediately confirm that.
“We’re not sure if Washington is or not,” Long said.
The grand jury issued alternative concealed weapon permit indictments for
Smith and the others. The men could be convicted of carrying a concealed
pistol without permit or failing to abide by a permit of a reciprocal state,
but not both counts, Long said.
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/arti…d898298826.txt
First, it’s my opinion that cops “playing biker” by forming or joining 3-piece patch clubs is silly and opens them up for problems exactly like what happened here. It’s no different than if they were putting on red or blue “do-rags” and hanging out at the local rap concert. The end result is very predictable. When things go south, the common response will be “well, duh”.
The flip side if that is this simple truth: this is the USA and there is nothing that gives a 1%er the right to challenge someone for what they’re wearing. It is laughable that a group of cops should go to a group of self-described outlaws and ask for “permission” to wear a patch. The idea of these “rules” is so ingrained in the outlaw culture that they actually believe that they have the right to enforce them. They don’t.
As dumb as I think it is to emulate outlaws, they had every right to sit in a bar and enjoy the rally without getting challenged over the club they belonged to, if that’s what happened.
Update: February 25, 2009 – In a plea agreement Joseph McGuire (HAMC) pleads no contest to simple assault (versus aggravated assault) and was sentenced to one year in the Meade County Jail. According to Rapid City Journal, (http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2009/02/24/news/local/doc49a38ab9e34da807658604.txt)
McGuire’s sentence was suspended as long as he does not break the law. No fines were imposed, but he can not attend this years rally.
-mac
Should a black man show up at a Clan rally and expect a good time? Should a 1%er go to the pig pen in colors and expect to not get dirty? Perhaps the cops shouldn’t mingle with the robbers in the den of thieves. Everyone deserves a place to go….just not the SAME place. Oil and water don’t mix, but blood and booze go hand in hand. Lets be smart out there and leave the guns at home. Save a life…..use a knife.
Mark B,
That works if everyone is on the same playing field and agrees to the rules. It usually doesn’t work that way in real life.
When it comes to my safety or that of my loved ones, I will use any tool or weapon to ensure I come out on top.
*Fair fights are for the ring.
*Never bring a knife to a gun fight.
But then, I am a dinosaur in a modern world.
I have yet heard as to who started the fight, and I have read and agree with some of you but I disagree with alot also. No one deserves to get shot period, what ever happen to “Let take this outside?” I don’t agree with the “Officers Clubs” I will call them that! If you want to have a motorcycle club, follow the rules of every else and get the permission you seek as any real brother would have to do! Who did you as and how did you earn you patch? your captain gave you permission and for every 1%er you bring in you get a rocker? WTF? You get out of uniform, get all dolled up and head out on your bike and 10 to 1 you are looking for the trouble to bring in when you clock back in the next day to your officer duty! “oh well i saw this going on yesterday, lets follow up on it now i’m on the clock” There are crocked police out there and you can not protect everyone, it is to be expected from outlaw bikers so you hear, but now we have to expect it from who we think are “protect and serve” that’s not right in my book. Get real and live life to your book, by the law. And I don’t not care about you gun laws, I think it is unfair for an off duty police officer to carry when you make our law where we can not so how is that fair? Don’t talk about the game unless your in it.
@mac, And the officer was release saying it was self defense. Really? Not buying the they released him, pend he gets in no trouble considering all the trouble his is in and has been in………I smell bullshit.
As a former member of a Law Enforcement MC, I am of the opinion that Cops have no business wearing 3-piece patches. There are plenty of MC’s that use one piece patches and that’s where cop clubs should be.
sorry, I meant RC’s
It’s probably best that you quit.